#85504: "Concede a game only with mutual agreement"
发生什么事? 请从下方选择
发生什么事? 请从下方选择
请检查是否已有同课题案件
若肯定,请「投票」给这桩案件。最高票的案件将「优先」处理!
# | Status | Votes | Game | Type | Title | Last update |
---|
细节描述
• 如果有的话,请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 请说明你当时想做什么,你做了什么,然后发生了什么
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请以英文复制/粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗?如果存在,它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时了?
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议,以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 当你被封锁的时候,屏幕上出现了些什么呢?(空白的屏幕?部分游戏平台画面?错误的信息?)
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里?
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 在游戏回放中,是否有不符合游戏规则的地方?如果有的话,请问是在哪一步呢?
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动?
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 你在想做什么的时候,触发了这个游戏选项?
• 当你想这么做时,发生了什么事(错误信息,游戏状态信息,......)?
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)?
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时,发生了什么事(错误信息,游戏状态信息,......)?
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请以英文复制/粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗?如果存在,它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时了?
• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议,以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
When a player clicks on the button to concede the game, I suggest it would prompt the other player to accept or reject it, and the game would only be conceded if both players agree.• 你的浏览器是什么?
Google Chrome v106
案件历史
Rationale:
It is often very unsatisfying for a game to end by someone conceding, especially if end game is certain within a few turns, but also in other places.
Other way this could be implemented:
Table settings where you pick a setting about conceding the game: conceding allowed (automatic end), conceding allowed (approval required), conceding disabled
Even with 5 rounds, if I rolled double 6's all 5 rounds, it would take 2 rounds to get them into base, and after that I need another 3 or 4 to go out. At minimum, that's 5 rounds with perfect rolls., and still can't win.
That's a game over ... forcing somebody to stay in that game when they've clearly lost isn't fun, or fair. Conceding a game is part of any game. Arguing that the winner "wanted to play it out" ... is not a good argument. If anything, allow the player to continue to play vs an autoplay or something. But forcing the losing player to remain in a lost game is not fair.
An option to "concede", resulting in that player turning into a simple AI may be the best compromise ... those who don't feel it's time well spent to "play it out" can concede and move on .. those who want to "play it out" can .. the fact the game is already won shouldn't matter if the opponent is an AI or not . ;)
Try to think 'bout this: after playing a while, not matter how long it is, just because somebody can't win and you have to give up the ELO/Arena points that you're suppose to have? No way! Right? So, it'll just end up no one will agree to abandon the game.
I've even meet somebody refuse to abandon at the beginning of the game, before anyone makes a move. I didn't purposely want to abandon a game that time; but I have to, 'cause an emergency came up and I have to go. I already mentioned it in chat, but my opponent just ignore my message, and keep waiting, and kick me out when time's up. It's still an abandonment, and I've to lose karma pts. :(
And, what if someone conceding too recklessly before noticing himself can actually win, and then left the game to AI, and AI won the game FOR the player? It's very unfair to the winner, or the player who stays. I'm with the conceding-game side, but in this case, I don't think the player who concede should win, 'cause he/she has conceded, and losing is the ONLY consequence that player can get. This makes sure players think twice before conceding, and not just simply giving up without trying.
I know many complain about opponent conceding in the final turn. I get it that it hurts the OCDness of the player. Maybe people with this OCDness can rethink "not just simply giving up without trying"... without trying the one last shot, how do you know you'll lose? Gizmos is the best example, 'cause there are some OP cards that help a lot... only if you could get it.
When games are impossible to change the outcome, I often concede in the last 2 turns (for example yahtzee when I have yahtzee as a zero and more than 100+ points behind). Almost all my games are turn based, why would I need to make both players take possibly a few more days just to find out what both already knew? It is a waste of everyone's time. And ending the game means that I can focus on starting a new one sooner.
Anyway, if you don't like conceding you can redthumb or create a group of players who play out the entire game no matter what the course of the game is, or adopt other alternatives which do not restrict the other player's decision.
Ban is just a terrible idea. Why should players be bound to the game already clearly lost and suffer just to satisfy the other player?
Again, conceding (aka surrender, resign, or many others) is not an invented concept for Chess or some abstract games.
As some others here have stated, I don't see how it's fair to force someone to waste their time playing out a game that they for sure lost.
I've had players concede a game of Patchwork during my last turn and this really bothers me. Part of the joy of Patchwork is how satisfying it is to fill up your board with pieces, so it's very unsatisfying if someone 'robs' me of that ending. Also, it hurts a bit when players are too impatient to wait for me to take one turn.
On the other hand, there are games like Fractal, where at a certain point the ending is already decided, but there are still tons of turns left to fill up the gaps you set up. In this case, I completely understand conceding.
Mrsshrew's suggestion honestly sounds like a great solution.
增加一些新内容到这篇报告
- 其他的游戏桌 ID / 移动 ID
- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题?
- 问题是否发生了好几次?还是每次都发生?还是时好时坏?
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。