#69861: "Create a 'tournament mode' to play without overpowered cards"
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
-
• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
There are 4 extremely overpowered cards in the base game that make further play almost meaningless if they fall into the starting hand/at the beginning of the game to a player who knows how to use them:
1) Chihuahuan Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
2) Common Raven (officially banned in Oceania expansion)
3) Franklin’s Gull
4) Killdeer
Arguments on this topic can be read, for example, here: wingsplain.com/birds-of-a-feather-the-power-4/
You can also find discussions about this on BGG and in the Steam version. Theese cards and combination of them really breaks the game. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v102
案件历史
(p2, under "Nectar".)
Move #57 and Table #297257118 Move #68). I won one game, and lost the second by 5 points. I did notice the card is very powerful, as it allows you to gain two food from the source, while only giving up an egg (you will nearly always have an egg to give up, as its only habitat is the Grassland), and this in effect allows you to subsequently play any bird costing 2 food or less, without even using the Forest to take food. Then you can pretty much ignore the Forest, and simply hit the usually points heavy Grassland.
However in the second game, I tended not to use the Raven's power so much, as the number of eggs was critical, due to the end of round goals, and it being later in the game. So it would appear its power is somewhat situational, as acknowledged above.
Oddly too, in the first game I got the Killdeer before the Raven; presumably an amateur like myself needs both over-powered cards to win! (Table #295471536 Move #17) Similar thing, except that this time you can partly ignore the Wetlands, by discarding an egg to draw 2 cards! Put them both in the Grasslands, as I did, and it was happy days!
I'm not saying that having an option to remove these cards is terrible, but I wonder if this might open up a can of worms (pardon the terrible pun!) Its all very well choosing certain expansions, or even certain features of a game, but removing cards might mean all kinds of arguments, especially when the effect is very situational. Wingspan is a game in which card draw luck is a significant factor, especially in terms of combinations of cards. Can we really rule confidently in these cases?
I completely support the idea that these 4 cards are significantly overpowered and strong players can more or less automatically win with them if played early.
The difficult thing is, getting the publisher's attention and approval.
Also removing FRANKLIN’S GULL AND KILLDEER would be even better. Two resources for an egg is too over powered.
Where is the ability to remove the big 4?
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- 其他的游戏桌 ID / 移动 ID
- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题？
- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
