#61525: "Ending game by swapping tiles does not award monument points"
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
no
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
no
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
no
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
no
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
no
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
no
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
-
• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
This happened in a previous game.
I believe this is how it is supposed to work: When ending the game by swapping tiles to empty the bag, you should still get points from any monuments that would trigger. Similarly if you end the game by taking the last treasure with your 1st action. The turn still plays out.
This is addressed in the Chris Lawson FAQ for Tigris & Euphrates, so hopefully it is official. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v99
案件历史
The game ends when either of the following conditions are met:
‡ Only one or two treasures remain on the board at the
end of a player’s turn, or
‡ A player who is attempting to draw a tile is unable to
because the bag is empty.
At this point all players lower their screens. Each player
determines in which sphere they possess the fewest number
of victory points, with each player freely allocating his treasures
to any sphere(s) (see “Treasure Distribution” on page 12).
The player whose lowest sphere has the highest number of
victory points is the winner. In the case of a tie, the tied players
compare their second lowest spheres, and so on. If multiple
tied players are evenly matched in all four spheres, those players
share the victory.
That reads to me as the game ends immediately upon the failed draw, with no further scoring.
If there has been an official errata stating otherwise it could be changed.
Do you have a link to the Chris Lawson FAQ?
Seems there may be no consensus, but here is a thread on the topic. Chris Lawson actually spoke to Knizia about this.
boardgamegeek.com/thread/2697313/ending-game-tile-swap-and-one-implication
Apparently the original German rules only end the game after both actions and end of turn happens, but the English translation is worded as you posted above indicating the game should end immediately. I know the old BGG implementation of T&E would let the turn play out (both actions+monument points) even when you swapped tiles to end the game.
I hesitate to make a change that is contrary to the rules as written in the most recent rulebook, but also don't want to have the game work differently than experienced players expect...
I especially don't want to add a game option that changes scoring at the very end of the game and surprise anyone playing.
I will need to think on this more, and maybe once the game picks up some more steam on this platform make a players group and discuss weird corner cases such as this in said group.
I have been running the the E&T event at WBC for over a decade (boardgamers.org/eventhistory/e&t.html) and have always allowed the second action and monument points if the first action swap exhausted the tile bag, per the FAQ and designer's intent. Back when E&T was on bgg (and earlier on gametableonline), this is how it was implemented.
I expect that all of the top experienced players (online and over the board) would expect the game rules to match the FAQ.
For the Z-man rules reprint, I would think that was likely an oversight or typographical error instead of a deliberate rules change. The sentence to "A player who is attempting to draw a tile is unable to
because the bag is empty" could be clarified with some extra phrasing, but it becomes awkward english.
images.zmangames.com/filer_public/92/3f/923f8aba-72f1-4aa5-9622-d648ad1a9aa7/kn25_rulebook_web.pdf
I appreciate thenmal's sensitivity (“I hesitate to make a change that is contrary to the rules as written in the most recent rulebook, but also don't want to have the game work differently than experienced players expect...”) but it seems that the absence of this option is what puts the most questions about this implementation.
As the game is probably hard to find in many parts of the world, most new owners of the game learn the rules by acquiring a second-hand copy - and these vary from one version/edition/language to another.
Thenmal: "I especially don't want to add a game option that changes scoring at the very end of the game and surprise anyone playing."
I'm not a programmer, but in several BGA games, a small informative bubble appears when you point your cursor at various options. I imagine this could also be implemented here?...
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- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
