#37708: "Hecate vs heroes"
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细节描述
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
31 and 48
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你已截取此Bug的屏幕截图（好习惯），可使用任意图片托管服务（例如snipboard.io）上传后，将链接复制粘贴至此处。 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
31 and 48
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
31 and 48
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
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• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
31 and 48
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你已截取此Bug的屏幕截图（好习惯），可使用任意图片托管服务（例如snipboard.io）上传后，将链接复制粘贴至此处。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你已截取此Bug的屏幕截图（好习惯），可使用任意图片托管服务（例如snipboard.io）上传后，将链接复制粘贴至此处。 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
In this specific game, Polyphemus used its power but since the second dome was build over Hecate, the power was not discarded.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v89
案件历史
In cases where the interaction of two powers is too complex for us to code -or- if the interaction is causing confusion for BGA players -or- if we determine the interaction is very unfair, we will add more bans.
Some examples:
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=21093 - too difficult to code
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=29287 - confusing
boardgamearena.com/bug?id=33571 - unfair
I think the official rules don't include *any* bans between normal gods and heroes, because they don't expect you to mix them in the same game (that's for expert players only). For example, the official rules do not ban Circe vs heroes, but this is clearly unfair and must be banned.
Also, the "How to play" page now lists the banned matchups for each power: en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Gamehelpsantorini
For Hecate vs Heroes, I think this can be fixed and am happy to help to reduce Hecate's ban list.
It is still my view that the treatment of hero powers vs God powers is incomplete at best, but mostly they did not consider these interactions at all. Remember, the official rules do not ban Clio vs. any heroes, but they should (it is not fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and discard it... nor is it fair for Clio to steal a one-time power, use it herself, and return it).
The situation with Hecate vs. heroes is the same. There's no fair way to resolve the problem of a partially-cancelled hero turn. Imagine a one-time power related to moving, where the hero's movement is valid but the building is not. It's not fair to cancel only the build portion of the turn and still discard the one-time power about movement (you wouldn't have wasted the one-time ability if you couldn't do the whole turn). Nor is it fair to let them keep the one-time power (since technically it was used). Nor is it fair to just cancel the entire turn. There's no good way to resolve this interaction. The rules here are completely broken. It should reman banned to remain fair.
I must disagree with you. I think Hecate vs Heroes should not be banned. The heroes can still use their power as in a normal game and if well used, it could be very difficult for Hecate to counter (for example, Bellerophon is a clear example of a hero that would be very strong against Hecate). The thing is, as an hero you have to make sure you use your power well. If you suspect Hecate might interrupt your turn, then just don't use your power at all and save it for later. I understand that implementing Hecate vs Heroes could lead to some changes (and that would be perfectly understandable)... But I wouldn't mind to play with an hero against Hecate, I wouldn't feel like I was in disadvantage.
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- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题？
- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你已截取此Bug的屏幕截图（好习惯），可使用任意图片托管服务（例如snipboard.io）上传后，将链接复制粘贴至此处。
