#29350: "Leech implementation makes asynch games take longer than needed. Automatic leech risky to use."
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
Automatic leech can make games go faster, but it is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget updating your automatic leech preferences, making players not use it. When it is not used, a player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v86
案件历史
I think the current leech system is flawed. I find the automatic leech option that is provided to be hard to use in a good way, and also risky to use as it is easy to forget updating it, and you could end up taking leech when you do not want it.
Example 1: I upgrade to a temple. Now my neighbour must accept leech before I get to select a favor tile and finish my turn. In asynch games this could take a long time if my neighbour is sleeping. Even worse, I might go to sleep before he accepts leech, and then the game waits for me to select favor tile and finish my turn. It cant take 10+hours just for my single turn to be completed. After all this, maybe I realized I wanted to upgrade to temple on another hex, and I undo my turn!!
Suggested solution: Let me select favor tile and finish my turn (including conversion of resources) before my neighbours have to accept/reject leech.
Example 2: I had a game where I was passing, and before passing i converted some power to coin since I had a lot of power income. However, I forgot to set the automatic power leech to 0, and after I passed another player built a lot of stuff next to me. I ended up accepting a lot of leech that I did not need. This cost me about 8 vp.
Suggested solution for this situation: Always reset the automatic leech to 0 at the start of a players turn, so that the worst case scenario is that things take a little more time, and not that you pay a lot of vp that you did not want to pay.
The reason for me that it is easy to forget updating leech setting is that they are "hidden" at the bottom of the screen. Maybe the leech settings could show up at the top of the screen when I am about to finish my turn (when the confirm-button appears). This way it is easier to remember setting up the auto-leech before finishing the turn.
Example 3: You might want to pay 3vp for 4 power exactly once, but no more times, as this would give you the resources you need for your plan. In this case you can not use the automatic leech option, since it would accept all leech you get until your next turn.
Suggested solution: Have a way to tell the game the maximum leech you want to take combined, in addition to the maximum vp you want to pay for a single leech. So max leech can be for example 6, and max vp payed for a single leech can be 3. Now, if you get a 4 for 3 you will accept it, but if you then get another one from the next player you will reject it since it would have given you a total of 8 leech when your total was set to 6.
So a lot of suggestions here I realize, but the general thing I want to say is that the leech system is flawed for asynch play. The current implementation of auto-leech is hard to use optimally, and easy to forget, so it is risky to use. This makes players not use it, and when players are not using it the games take a long time because often one player can not finish his turn before another player has accepted/rejected leech. I dont know the best solution for this, but there are a few suggestions above.
Have an option to automatically reject leech. Now, if I am offered more leech than I automatically accept, I still have to manually reject it. It would be nice to have an option to always reject leech.
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- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
