#21728: "Safeguards to prevent poor bids (e.g. bidding Ultimo without the Pagat)"
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
In one of my games, I was partner to someone who called "Ultimo", only, neither of us actually had the Pagat in our hands. It appears that this is not breaking a rule of the game, but it seems that it would be good if a player without the Pagat was warned when trying to bid Ultimo. Maybe a pop up asking: "Are you sure? You do not have the Pagat" or something along those lines.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v84
案件历史
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (holding both high honours) Trull, ultimo, pass
Thus not only announcing ultimo (which will be successful) but also indicating holding both high honours (since otherwise they wouldn't know that the declarer holds the pagat) and thereby potentially opening the door for further announcements.
Or
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: 8 (or 9) trumps, pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding 5+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
This works because if the declarer had a high honour, they would be expected to announce trull with 5+ trumps, thus they must have the pagat. Trull therefore won't work, but ultimo very likely will. And it is true that the declarer can expect 5+ trumps on the partner's hand anyway (they shouldn't have yielded/invited otherwise), but it's better to leave the announcement to the partner regardless, in case they, too, have 8 or 9 trumps and run the risk of preventing the ultimo themselves.
Or even
(In a yielded game or accepted invitation)
Declarer: Pass
Partner: (the yielding/inviting player, holding two honours) 8 (or 9) trumps, trull, pass
Declarer: (holding 4+/3+ trumps) Ultimo, pass
Here the partner's trull announcement signals the pagat: the declarer is supposed to announce trull with 5+ trumps, so the partner's trull announcement is basically saying "I know you do have a high honour because I have the two others". The declarer is then expected to announce ultimo if they have enough trumps to do so - or not, in which case the pagat will be led early, while the high honour is still there to take it, to ensure trull.
The only announcement that is legal but not available on the interface is XXI-catch while holding the XXI. :) That never makes sense. (But the XXI-catch announcement brings up a confirmation dialog even when it is available because it is so extremely seldom that it can be announced.)
I still think that it could be useful to have a warning on the bid, for new players. I am not saying you would disable bidding Pagat if you do not hold it, as there are reasons for this as you rightfully point out! Just something making sure that the player definitely wants to bid Ultimo.
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- 其他的游戏桌 ID / 移动 ID
- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题？
- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
