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#18293: "Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
#18293: "Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
infoneeded: 游戏开发者需要更多的信息来修复这个系统漏洞
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细节描述
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
At the end
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
At the end
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
At the end
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
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• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
At the end
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
We did the highest score and no one got even a point.
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Safari v12.1
案件历史
2020年Jun22日 08:32 • Ordoniez • 漏洞尚未被修复:
Yes, ELO system, it's a bit tricky when cooperative games, victory counts as "TIE" not as victory, in my table, both won 26/30 and ELO was substracted EVEN WE WON!
ELO System should be improved for coop games.
ELO System should be improved for coop games.
2020年Nov8日 09:11 • Khoo1 • 漏洞尚未被修复:
According to Hanabi maker, you scored 30 for a victory. According to BGA, you need to pay for a victory :D LOL None the less, I understand how players feel and voted for this to be .... thought over.
2020年Nov25日 21:04 • JoyShanti • 漏洞尚未被修复:
game #125863429 ended with 23 points and our personal points stayedthe same.
2021年Jan11日 23:31 • hermine02_boardgame • 漏洞尚未被修复:
game #138601527
We did the highest score 30/30 (black and avalanche) and no one got even a point.
Firefox
We did the highest score 30/30 (black and avalanche) and no one got even a point.
Firefox
2021年Mar13日 14:01 • IvettCs • 漏洞尚未被修复:
I wish there was more clarification about the ELOs. Since the interface changed and I started using black powder that I thought would be rewarding, my ELO scores went down by 200 in 4 weeks. I simply don't get how I get no marks for perfect games even with an unlucky deck with black powder, no flamboyant help and only 5 cards in the hand, but I get 8 points deducted when we lose 1 card.
2021年Jun11日 22:50 • Mimer • 漏洞尚未被修复:
This happened today, as mentioned before, in a game with 5 multicolored cards. The problem might be when you play that variety.
2021年Jun14日 11:59 • spressi • 漏洞尚未被修复:
This is not really a bug. Based on the average ELO across all players, a prediction is made how many points are likely to be scored. If ELOs are particularly high, this expectation may be 30 if only high-ELO players are present. After the game, your ELO is increased if you exceeded the expectation and decreased if you fell short of that prediction.
To increase transparency in cooperative games, the expected end score based on the average ELO across players should be viewed before starting the game.
To increase transparency in cooperative games, the expected end score based on the average ELO across players should be viewed before starting the game.
2021年Sep21日 17:09 • RICO90 • 漏洞尚未被修复:
It happened in all games with 5 multicolour cards for more than a year.
2021年Nov19日 15:32 • arisanana • 漏洞尚未被修复:
30/30 pts, tricky colors + black powder + flamboyants
ELO differing by about 400 pts (500+ and 900+)
End score +0
boardgamearena.com/8/hanabi?table=217721068
If the only thing that matters isn't the score difference but average score altogether, I would highly suggest changing that so odd matchings with reasonable level difference even at higher levels can still earn points—just playing a round or two of being a Strong or Expert player who slipped into a Master room is enough to see Master players can have very very different expectations of what "norm" is in "conventions".
ELO differing by about 400 pts (500+ and 900+)
End score +0
boardgamearena.com/8/hanabi?table=217721068
If the only thing that matters isn't the score difference but average score altogether, I would highly suggest changing that so odd matchings with reasonable level difference even at higher levels can still earn points—just playing a round or two of being a Strong or Expert player who slipped into a Master room is enough to see Master players can have very very different expectations of what "norm" is in "conventions".
2021年Dec28日 02:52 • arisanana • 漏洞尚未被修复:
Had another run of the same issue in the following table:
> boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227210831
> 30/30 pts, tricky/black/flams
> ELO differing by about 400 pts (904 and 495)
> ELO rate +0
After playing at more types of tables now, I think this may have to do with specifically the combination of:
> Tricky Color + Black Powder + 5 Flamboyants AND either:
>> ELO rate differs by ~400 pts OR
>> ELO of one player is around 500 while the other is around 900
> WITH the given that this is a 2 player table only
> boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227210831
> 30/30 pts, tricky/black/flams
> ELO differing by about 400 pts (904 and 495)
> ELO rate +0
After playing at more types of tables now, I think this may have to do with specifically the combination of:
> Tricky Color + Black Powder + 5 Flamboyants AND either:
>> ELO rate differs by ~400 pts OR
>> ELO of one player is around 500 while the other is around 900
> WITH the given that this is a 2 player table only
2021年Dec28日 05:34 • arisanana • 漏洞尚未被修复:
boardgamearena.com/6/hanabi?table=227237274
Update: same as above
Score: 30/30
ELO: 892 + 467
Average ELO: 679
Update: same as above
Score: 30/30
ELO: 892 + 467
Average ELO: 679
2022年Jan13日 23:02 • iakona • 漏洞尚未被修复:
Since black powder doesnt change your end score, pretty sure you gain less elo by using it. E.g. a 30/30 with and without black powder will probably score the same.
2023年Apr17日 11:31 • Sombracier • 漏洞尚未被修复:
The bug still occur with any "only 5 multicolours cards" mod (+ black powder in my case).
Example of the last concerned game : boardgamearena.com/table?table=367933090
Example of the last concerned game : boardgamearena.com/table?table=367933090
2024年Oct13日 23:56 • Blacktango • 游戏开发者需要更多的信息来修复这个系统漏洞:
5 multicolor cards does not give ELO because it is too difficult to balance compared to other modes (because it is very draw dependent). I guess it could at least be mentioned when you choose this mode.
Maybe the ELO balance could be improved with black powder.
ELO calculation is debated in this forum thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4814
Maybe the ELO balance could be improved with black powder.
ELO calculation is debated in this forum thread: boardgamearena.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4814
2025年Jul21日 23:17 • Blacktango • 游戏开发者需要更多的信息来修复这个系统漏洞:
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"30/30 score and 0 point for all players"
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"Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
"30/30 score and 0 point for all players"
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"Perfect score and 0 point for all players"
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