#15880: "rules say the windmill actions can be taken even if not your turn"
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• 如果有的话,请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 请说明你当时想做什么,你做了什么,然后发生了什么
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请以英文复制/粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗?如果存在,它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时?
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议,以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 当你被封锁的时候,屏幕上出现了些什么呢?(空白的屏幕?部分游戏平台画面?错误的信息?)
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里?
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 在游戏回放中,是否有不符合游戏规则的地方?如果有的话,请问是在哪一步呢?
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动?
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 你在想做什么的时候,触发了这个游戏选项?
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
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• 当你想这么做时,发生了什么事(错误信息,游戏状态信息,......)?
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)?
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时,发生了什么事(错误信息,游戏状态信息,......)?
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请以英文复制/粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
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• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗?如果存在,它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时?
not exactly, i just couldn't use the windmill when it wasn't my turn
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议,以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
if it is not your turn, the windmill actions are not available for a player. Since there is also no confirmation, it changes to the next player too quickly. Also, at times I want to use the windmill in response to another players actions but I am not able to. The rule in question is on page 7
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢?
Google Chrome v81
案件历史
One thing that should definitely happen is a confirmation to end your turn, in case you want to convert resources or go up/down the windmill. That is the low-hanging fruit here. But that would only address part of the issue. The other part is going up or down the windmill even when it is not your turn.
I have played a fair number of different games on BGA, but of course there are plenty that I have not played. I can't think of any games that allow you to take actions when it is not your turn. Well, to be more precise, I cannot think of any BGA game which doesn't fall into 1 of 2 categories:
- Simultaneous play (like 7 Wonders, 6 nimmt, etc). In this case, everyone is deciding their move simultaneously, but you cannot see anyone's moves until they are all resolved. So you cannot react to something someone else chose.
- Turn-based play where the game is prompting exactly 1 player to make a decision at a time. Only that player is able to make a choice.
For Madeira to allow people to use the windmill outside of their turn, it would be a situation where BGA is prompting one player (whose turn it is) in the regular way. But it would also be prompting every other user about the windmill. Would I be able to end my turn without every other player confirming that they didn't want to use the windmill? And if one player did decide to use the windmill on my turn, then does everyone again have to confirm that they don't want to use the windmill in response to that?
Or would it be a real time thing where if you happen to use the windmill while it's still my turn, fine, but if I finish my turn and you have not done it, then the game progresses and you missed that chance?
I can also see there being issues if I'm trying to use the windmill while you are trying to take your turn. The two actions don't strictly speaking conflict with each other, but you may want to do something different on your turn if you see that I am using the windmill. The game client would have to recognize that the windmill had been used while you were taking your turn, and ask you if you wanted to restart your turn. But what if you wanted to use the windmill only if I decided to do a particular thing on my turn? In that case, the game client couldn't let me undo my turn in response to your windmill use.
I am not sure it's practical to fully implement the rule as written on BGA. I think it should definitely prompt you at the end of your turn to allow you to do any free actions before you complete your turn. Otherwise, careful thought should be given to when a player really would want/need to use the windmilll outside of their turn.
I think the most common case is at the end of the phase C. So I think I would add a prompt to all players at the end of phase C, simultaneously asking them if they want to use the windmill. If everyone says no, the game proceeds. If anyone uses the windmill, then the question is -- do they all use it simultaneously? That obviously isn't how it would work in a physical game of Madeira. Someone would have to declare they are using it, they would use it, and then the others could react. So I think the idea BGA algorithm to cover this would be to do the following at the end of phase C:
1) Prompt all users simultaneously to use the windmill (to go up or down)
2) If no players declare a windmill action, the game proceeds to game D.
3) If one or more players declare a windmill action, then ONLY the player earliest in turn order executes their action.
4) Go to step #1
That way players could continue to react to each decision. This does impose an artificial rule that isn't in the rulebook (player order), but I don't think this works without some order imposed.
Finally, I think you'd want to add a prompt in phase D, right before workers have to be fed, asking users if they want to go up the windmill. The reason this wouldn't be covered by the previous case is because the players may have gained resources from the colonies that allow them to go up the windmill when they could not before. I think the same algorithm I described before would be used, except that only players with the required resources would be prompted.
I think adding it at key points (ie phase C) is a good option. Maybe there can be an additional option on the windmill "Ask me about the windmill at the end of my turn", which a player can click on to let the game know they want to use the windmill.
- There is an undo feature now, and you can trade at that time.
- Also it's possible to trade just before the upkeep phases (phase D).
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- 问题是否发生了好几次?还是每次都发生?还是时好时坏?
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差),你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络,然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
