#15320: "Dice clearly not random"
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
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I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
I know what random looks like, and this is not random. I've played about 20 games of Can't Stop and nearly every game had at least one instance of all 12 dice being the same number - this often happens several times in a game (upwards of 3 or 4). If my math is correct, this event should have a 6^12 chance of happening (1 in 2,176,782,336). - 2.1 billion.
In addition to the 12 equivalent dice in a row, I regularly see patterns that clearly aren't random. For example: 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2 5-5 2-2. Then the next roll: 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2 2-3 3-2. If this happened just once in a while it'd feel random, but rolls like this are all but commonplace. I don't know if the "random" function doesn't work in the code, or if there's some sort of glitch in browser compatibility. All I know is that it's anything but random.
When you see your opponent open on 7 4's in a row, and then two 12's before you even get a chance to take your first turn, you begin to not want to play any dice games on boardgamearena. • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Mozilla v5
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The four dice in the upper left represent the actual dice roll, which is random (in my experience). The twelve dice on the right are showing the combinations that can be made from the roll of the four dice.
Like you roll 1, 4,4 and 5, you get
(1+4)=5 & (4+5)=9
or
(1+5)=6 & (4+4)=8
or
(1+the other 4)=5 again & (4+5)=9
so
5&9
6&8
5&9
You'll easily understand that as soon as you have any double, it reduces the possibilities, and getting at least a double has 1-(5^3/6^3) = 42% chance to happen.
Also a triple has 1/36 chances, and a quadruple 1/216.
Hope this helps.
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I like game, but clearly NOT random.
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It is of course possible that the generator is not random in another way.
For the most part, I'm enjoying playing games on boardgamearena.com but this lack of actual randomness seems to be at play in other games, as well. Until this is addressed and debugged, I'll stay a free member. I don't have the money to contribute to an online game site that doesn't truly give each player random chances during their turns.
Definitely not strong enough in this kind of game, please switch to some SSL lib that have crypto grade random generator (should be the case for any game that highly rely on it).
To me it seems that even if a human would throw a dice in real life and input the result into the game, people would still believe that it is not random.
Every time people claim this, there is no statistical analysis to support what they perceive.
On the first turn of the game one player got the entire column 8. The next they finished 7. Then 5. Only three rounds in a three player Can't Stop game can only be the cause of extremely not randomized dice rolls. Please fix.
Again, the player got the entire column 8 on his first turn, before I even had a chance to go. You MUST fix this.
Opponent got entire column 8 in one turn.
Opponent got entire column 11, with terrible odds. People take a lot of turns get lucky like that way too often; it is not a one-time thing.
Don"t waste your time.
Often, when I am the player with the least Elo-rank, I got the most "not possible" options, while the player with the highest rank gets his columns fastly.
It´s seems that the odds for winning are higher, if you have already a higher rank...
One player got the entire column 8 in a single turn with 6, 7, and 8, and the other player completed 12 in one turn with a 5, 7, and 12. I got last place in this game when I would've for sure gotten second place if not for the rigged dice rolls.
No acknowledgment about a bug that was reported 2+ years ago?
One player ended up getting the entire column 6 in one turn with 6-7-8, and the other player got column 10 on a 3-8-10 by progressing 4 times up the ten column (which in itself is not statistically probable), but then the player continued on just 3 and 8, and managed to move the 8 up about five times, handing them a win.
You hardly need to know the basics of probability to understand that this is not true randomness at all, and I am disappointed that this has been reported for so long without any acknowledgement from developers. As someone above said, it certainly makes people not want to play dice games on BGA. I'm sorry, but despite the BGA FAQ saying that their randomizer has a "cryptographically secure randomness," the dice rolls are not at all random in this game and others.
The probability in this case is incredible small, so I think there is a bug.
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- 其他的游戏桌 ID / 移动 ID
- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题？
- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
