#111437: "ELO problem because wrongly set as "team loss""
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• 如果有的话，请将你在屏幕上所看到的错误信息粘贴出来.
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 请说明你当时想做什么，你做了什么，然后发生了什么
End of game
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
End of game
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 当你被封锁的时候，屏幕上出现了些什么呢？(空白的屏幕？部分游戏平台画面？错误的信息？)
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 哪个规则没有被BGA的设计小组写进游戏里？
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 在游戏回放中，是否有不符合游戏规则的地方？如果有的话，请问是在哪一步呢？
End of game
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 你当时是想做哪个游戏行动？
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 你在想做什么的时候，触发了这个游戏选项？
End of game
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• 当你想这么做时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 请问这个问题发生在游戏的哪个阶段(当前的游戏说明是什么)？
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 当你想进行一个游戏行动时，发生了什么事(错误信息，游戏状态信息，......)？
End of game
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
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• 请描述一下显示画面上面的问题。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
-
• 请以英文复制／粘贴显示文字而非你的语言。 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? -
• 这段文本在翻译系统中吗？如果存在，它被翻译是否已超过二十四小时？
End of game
• 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
-
• 请简明而精确地解释您的建议，以便让人明白您想表达的意思。
Not sure if this is a BAG issue or a game setting issue.
4 players king of tokyo game between friends
boardgamearena.com/table?table=462094413
Upon looking at the ELO details for the player finishing second, I see:
Vous ne pouvez pas gagner d'ELO en cas de défaite en équipe
But king of tokyo is not a team game.
Now, you could say that the first player wins and everyone else lose but if you do so,
then all the players but the first should be considered as having a draw between them.
In this game, the 3rd and 4th players are losing ELO for having lost to the second player but the second player doesn't win ELO for having won against them...
This is very wrong.
Maybe something can be done at game level so as not to tag the defeat as a team defeat ? • 您正使用哪一款浏览器呢？
Google Chrome v120
案件历史
And not the only one introduced by the recent changes if I understand correctly the situation with the "consecutive wins" thing.
Ah well, I hope they are aware of most of it even if the admins don't answer to the reports.
Is this set?
"'losers_not_ranked' => true,"
That causes the exhibited behaviour, according to the docs. en.doc.boardgamearena.com/Main_game_logic:_yourgamename.game.php#Only_%22winners%22_and_%22losers%22
(The explanatory text "You cannot win ELO from teammates on a loss" is very misleading...)
I think losers_not_ranked should be set to false, as losers are in fact ranked in this game (by tiebreaker order of elimination). Either that or Losers should not be ranked (set to zero, no tiebreaker).
Turns out that even if losers are actually not ranked, losers_not_ranked is wonky: boardgamearena.com/bug?id=115682
But! The situation gets even worse when the setting is set to true and yet losers ARE ranked (as they are in this game). So I'd still say it's a bug to have both.
So I think the best, and it so happens also the easiest fix, is to set this to false. The results will be ranked (tie-broken by score or order of elimination as they already are) and Elo will be calculated just as for any normal ranked-result game.
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And this time it's just a win by killing everyone, no special card involved.
I have looked at ton of other non-team 4player games and, so far, I have only seen the problem in this game and in this game I saw it twice.
So, while the problem is likely in the framework, I'm pretty sure that some kind of setting or handling in King of Tokyo is triggering the bug. The coincidence is becoming a bit big for it not to be the case.
Give instead 1 point to everyone and 10 to the winner and it will be ok. (I hope)
I looked at a bunch of game from a player and the 2nd and 3rd players at the end never gain ELO.
boardgamearena.com/gamestats?player=92814398
I checked and I don't have that "team loss" problem in the following games (played at 3 to 6 players):
- stella dixit, Race for the Galaxy, Automobiles, Downforce, Terranova, Heat
In all of those games, I have seen 2nd placed player win some ELO and never seen a player get +0 ELO tagged as "team loss"
You probably know what might be different between this game and Heat so here is an example for Heat where 2nd player won some ELO
boardgamearena.com/table?table=475885410
- Either It should be set to false (that would make it function like all other ranked games. Say, Ticket to Ride)
- or all losers should have their scores set to 0 with no tiebreakers (that would make it function like Coup, where one winner takes all, always, and order of elimination does not matter)
增加一些新内容到这篇报告
- 其他的游戏桌 ID / 移动 ID
- 按 F5 是否解决了这个问题？
- 问题是否发生了好几次？还是每次都发生？还是时好时坏？
- 如果你有这个系统漏洞发生时的屏幕截图(画质不要太差)，你可以使用Imgur.com来把它上传到网络，然后将链接复制/粘贴到这里来。
